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Hi All,

I was hoping some of you might give your "two cents" on this male grayband I bought in 1993 or 1994 from Richard Deuel. I took the pictures today, and he is about 14 years old.

I am curious to know if you guys think he is pure Grayband (he might not be, I don't know for sure)and what some of your honest guesses might be as to the genetics.

My feeling is that he might be a buckskin (possibly davis) crossed to a regular blairs, but I really don't know, I haven't seen many buckskin blairs.

If anyone knows Richard Deuel, we might be able to find out, but otherwise his history is to remain one of those secrets. I welcome your honest opinion, I thought it might be interesting for you all to ponder.

Thanks,
Jim

Jim,
If I had to guess, I would say that it is pure Gray-band.

As far as locality, I don't see anything that suggests Jeff Davis county as "part" of the origin. It has the look of eastern locals, probably Val Verde county but who knows?

As far as the buckskin (orange suffusion), that is not uncommon with older alterna, even Val Verde county animals.

Those are guesses of course, because if you don't know, then you don't know.
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I have to agree on the age thing, and the buckskin can be from anywhere, it is just a more common thing in the Davis animals.

Lance
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I haven't seen this much buckskin or infused orange in any eastern locality graybands, but close to it in davis, xmas or river animals. I have a 7 year old river from troy that is getting pretty close ( this is from Lance's w.c. female ). I have seen junos develop some with age, but again not this much it's more of an orange specling here and there.

If I generally hear from you guys this is a pure grayband I will probably breed him to produce some generics this spring just for fun. Also I do plan to breed his daughter (from 1999) for the first time this coming summer, her mother was a super light phase 1995 cb screamer from an osborne blairs line dating back to the the 80's.

Here she is:

Jim, I have a real old w/c male from loma that has all kinds of Salmon pink on him now that he is old.I wonder if its the same as grey on us old farts.LOL...
I will get a pic of him.
Shannon

It looks like pure alterna to me.. Did it always have the orange bleeding through the gray or has that increased with age?

~ Mike

Hi,
I have a male X-mas mountain from 2001 which turns more orange over the years. When it was younger it has the normal grey, white, black, orange colors but then it started changing, the thin white bandigs around the black bandings turned to "pink" and after a while to "orange". The same happend to the grey color.
At the picture you can see it at the neck and a little bit on the top of it´s head.

Greetings
malte

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Greetings Malte

www.lampropelten.net (german site)

Buckskin animals have occured from Juno Rd, older animals but still 100 percent WC Junos.

Your animal looks 100 percent Alterna to me.

As for locality, who knows.

Hope all is well my friend!

Steven Owens

Thanks for the opinions guys! I can now accept that he is a grayband, and an unusual one at that. I will probably try to breed the old guy this coming season.