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First Albino balls, some happy pictures and some sad.

MarkS Jul 06, 2004 05:18 PM

After working towards this goal for the past three years I finally hatched some baby albino ball pythons. It was an unusual clutch to say the least. The male was a het albino that I picked up from Jon Roylance who got it in a trade with someone who originally bought it from the Snake Keepers. So he's gone through a lot of hands before getting to me. For my females, I bought 4 50% poss het albinos 3 years ago from Dave Prada who produced them himself using a het male bred to his normal females. He got his het from Jamie Quick. Of the four females that I bought, only two were big enough to breed this year and of those two only one became gravid and laid eggs. She only laid 5 eggs. BUT, THREE of the eggs contained twins, unfortunatly two of the pairs died before hatching. The two eggs that did not contain twins, both contained albinos. Here are some pics for you....

This pic shows the two albinos, one out of the egg and one still not out yet. The egg showing the normal baby actually has two of them in there...

This picture shows the 4 babies that died in the egg. The eggs that they came out of are the ones in the bottom corners of the pic, you can see there was still a lot of yolk left.

Here are the dead babies next to their siblings, you can see that both pairs have different patterns from each other, yet are more similar to the one they were sharing their egg with. the top pair being darker even somewhat of a blackback look while the bottom pair are more banded with thinner bands. The two bottom ones weighed 16g and 18g while the top two weighed 26g and 35g. The one live albino that is already out of it's egg weighed 108g

So, what do you think?

Mark

Replies (7)

AmaEmena Jul 06, 2004 05:25 PM

Congratulations on the living! Maybe I'm just a goob, but twins are always exciting to me. I'm sorry about the other two sets of twins, however.
In the last photo, are the globulations on the snakes yolks?

MarkS Jul 06, 2004 06:02 PM

Thanks, I think twins are exiting too, I've never heard of three sets of twins in one clutch before... It's just too bad the other two sets didn't make it.

Those globulations that you see on the snakes towards the tail end are their umbilical cords.

Mark

>>Congratulations on the living! Maybe I'm just a goob, but twins are always exciting to me. I'm sorry about the other two sets of twins, however.
>>In the last photo, are the globulations on the snakes yolks?

JakeM Jul 06, 2004 08:04 PM

I don't know what's more impressive--hatching out three sets of twins or proving out all those hets. It's nice to see some people are still honest.

Jake

MarkS Jul 07, 2004 11:16 AM

Thanks Jake, it was pretty exciting seeing those albino heads popping out. Actually I think most of the people in this hobby are honest, it's just the few scammers that get all the press making it look like there are so many crooks selling fake hets. I got a pretty good feeling from both of the guys I did business with so I wasn't too concerned, but it's still pretty satisfying being able to prove them out.

Mark

>>I don't know what's more impressive--hatching out three sets of twins or proving out all those hets. It's nice to see some people are still honest.
>>
>>Jake

PiedPeddler Jul 06, 2004 09:43 PM

It seems now that more BP's are being captive bred than ever, reports of twins are occurring more frequently. I'm just curious if BP's might produce genetically identical twins that still have different patterns. Or can they actually produce twins with identical patterns as well? If anybody knows, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks and congrat's to Mark for proving out 2 of his hets!
Paul

RandyRemington Jul 06, 2004 11:53 PM

I've never heard of identically patterned ball pythons.

I would suspect that identical genetics would tend to produce similar patterns. If we had genetic testing to distinguish between genetically identical twins and siblings who just happened to get shelled together it would make an interesting study as to what level the pattern of normals is due to genetics and what is due to chance.

Genetically identical twin humans still have different fingerprints, maybe the exact intricacies of ball python pattern are something like fingerprints and not completely genetically predetermined.

PiedPeddler Jul 07, 2004 07:20 PM

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