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				<title>Kingsnake.com - Herpforum - Russian &amp; Greek Tortoises</title> 

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				  The Russian tortoise(Testudo horsfieldii) is a small tortoise species, ranging from 5 - 8 inches for males, 6 - 10 inches for females. They are sexually dimorphic in that the females grow slightly larger. Coloration varies, but the shell is usually a ruddy brown or black, fading to yellow between the scutes, and the body itself straw-yellow and brown. They have four toes.

The spur-thighed tortoise (Testudo graeca) or Greek tortoise is one of four European members of the Testudinidae family of tortoises. The other members of the family are Hermann's tortoise (Testudo hermanni), the Marginated tortoise (Testudo marginata) and Russian Tortoise (Testudo horsfieldii).

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						<title>sick little gal</title> 

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 Well I have a Russian Tortoise that is sick. Looking for some input as to what it might be. Heading to the Vet today to get her checked out. She hasn't eaten in 5 days and won't open her mouth. She has a clear liquid that is coming from her mouth and now sleeps with her head and feet out of her shel... 
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						<title>Outdoor pens for Russian Ts in the North</title> 

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 So, years ago I remember read on Bert Lang..etc site that Russian torts come from a similar range IN TEMPS as Minn St Paul. The big issue is to much water. So, has anyone tried to come up with an area for these little guys up North with drainage, and maybe covered to keep it dry?Not sure why thi... 
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						<title>Golden Greek baby sudden death</title> 

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 My 11 year old son's 2012 Golden Greek died today.  She has been active, a good eater, etc.  Got her in July.  Soaked her a few times a week (2-3).  Dusted her salad with calcium most days. Spring mix and tortoise pellets for food.  Basking area was about 94.  Temp gradient from 94 all the way out t... 
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						<title>Russian or Greek? (picture)</title> 

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 My husband found this little guy in a house that had been foreclosed. Apparently the owners had left him behind.Can anyone tell me what type of tortoise this is?http://i40.tinypic.com/35it178.jpg 
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						<title>Paulownia tree leaves</title> 

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 Wondering if anyone has safely fed Paulownia leaves to tortoises, specifically Hermann's. I have an abundance of young trees. Some third-world agriculture websites state that they are used as fodder and forage for livestock and are non-toxic. 
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						<title>Russian and Marginated incubator</title> 

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 I have incubated Russian Tortoise eggs without success for the past 4 years.  I believe that the eggs have not been fertile in the past, but I'm beginning to wonder if it's the use of a fan in the incubator that is the problem.  I have used a Hovabator with the turbofan and also an R-com Juragon whi... 
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						<title>eggs</title> 

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 i have a female russian who has been resless lately and i have noticed fragments of what might have been an egg shell, yes i know the urine crystals are white and dry out to be hard, but these fragments looked distinctly round and no substrate stuck to them like it would the urine crystals, also she... 
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						<title>can m&amp;f hermanns be kept together</title> 

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 Hi,have a female adult was hoping to get a male but not sure if they can live together or just during mating,Thanks 
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						<title>Collard Greens and Russian Torts</title> 

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 I have found extremely mixed reviews about feeding collard greens to reptiles, specifically Russian Tortoises. Often on websites it will list collards as a good &amp;quot;staple&amp;quot; food, but then later in the website it will list collards in the anti-nutrient class with spinach.Does anyone ... 
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						<title>Greek or Russian??  ID needed</title> 

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 Hello,I received a lovely tortoise into my rescue today, and it was ID'd as a Russian. But this critter is 8+&amp;quot;, and roughly 2-3 lbs... I don't think so. I'm thinking it might be a Greek. I have a Russian in rescue now, nice little male, and this newer tortoise is more than twice as long... 
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						<title>hello?</title> 

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 anyone use this forum? russian tortoise owner here. looks like there hasn't been a post in ahwile. 
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						<title>t. g. iberia x t. g. terrestris?</title> 

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 10 years ago I rescued an adult female Testudo graeca Iberia from a turtle soup shop here in Hong Kong; I have since been on the look out for a male, to no avail. I have been wondering whether it is possible to breed her with a male Testudo graeca terrestris as they are abundant here. Is this possib... 
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						<title>HERMANN'S LAYING - PHOTO</title> 

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 JSC-----&amp;quot;As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this&amp;quot;John Crickmer 
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						<title>greeks mating</title> 

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 hello folks, how can i tell if my greeks are succesful with copiulation? my male is about 5 inches and my female is about 7, she is a big girl compared to him, seems a bit awkward fro him whemn he is mounting her but,,,, try and try again he does, she doesnt seem to mind, how long, and how will i kn... 
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						<title>not too active</title> 

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 one of my russians hasn't been too active recently, all it has done recently is hide. i am not sure if it has eaten recently, if it has i have not seen it do so. my guess is it is temp. related so if it is, are temps too hot or too cold and if it is not temps then what? 
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						<title>Russian tortoise with red tongue...Help!</title> 

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 Hey, I hope everyone's had a good weekend.I think my Russian tort, Ella, may be sick. Her behavior has been quite normal so far, she's been eating well and moves around quite a lot. However, her top of her tongue is a dark red, almost spotted. It looks a little like its been burnt. Can anyone di... 
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						<title>Marginated or Greek Tortoise?  ID advice</title> 

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 I just purchased this tortoise from a breeder as a subadult (6&amp;quot female marginated tortoise.  I've been looking at her closely the past 2 days and am wondering if she may not in fact be a female ibera Greek, or maybe a hybrid marginated-Greek.I'm a tortoise biologist but not a Testudo exper... 
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						<title>How to stop pyramiding in baby hermanns?</title> 

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 I have three 7 month old herman tortoises babies who are showing signs of pyramiding. I have on them on damp newspaper with rocks and large flat pieces of bark to walk and climb over. Their enclosure is a &amp;quot;under the bed&amp;quot; storage plastic bin. They outgrew their sweater box. I used t... 
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						<title>Catching some spring rays.</title> 

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 jsc-----&amp;quot;As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this&amp;quot;John Crickmer 
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						<title>Russian tortoises out in the yard</title> 

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 Out of hibernation and strolling around in the sun.  I hatched these guys back in July of 2006.  Still not sure of the genders, but I'll call them Cletus and Brandine.Cletus:  Brandine: 
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