I got them via trade from a pet store in flanders, new jersey called super pet outlet... they advertise on kingsnake i think and just recently opened up maybe 4 months ago... great and honest people... i think the owner's name is jim benedetti... just great people to work with and good looking animals too as well as great prices so if you're interested you should get in touch with him... i dunno what the rules are like on the forums so if you want contact info and exact prices just drop me an email... it'd also be nice to chat with you about things like the subspecies i have on the sikorae since i'm relatively new to the genus and have usually tried to breed pure lines i would try to avoid crossing different subspecies (as with leachianus where i try to breed locale specific)... anyway... thanks for the comments... these are amazing animals and i hope we all have some success breeding them in the near future because lord knows we need to see some CBs from this genus... thanks again-paul

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