Thanks for the photos and the extra info, Terry. Yep, the photo of the Mandarin is the one I was talking about. You've given me some good ideas about feeding, and keeping the snakes from getting aspen stuck all over the mice. I mostly agree with what you said about space being overrated for rat snakes, but once they get up to about 4.5 - 5 ft, I don't like to keep them in anything less than 20 gal size caging, or at least floor dimensions. The 90 qt Sterilite and 95 qt Rubbermaid tubs I use, have similar dimensions to 20 gal tanks, and are light and easy to clean. I also use 41 qt Sterilite tubs which have a similar amount of floor space, but are only about 5 or 6 inches high. I have also noticed some of my snakes will squeeze themselves into very tight spaces, between their hides and the back wall (where the heat tape warms it up), and between the top of the hides and the ceiling of the rack, in the lower (41 qt) tubs. I also use some hides that look too small for the snakes that use them, but they squeeze into them, and some seem to prefer them over larger hides, especially during digestion. BTW, what kind of container is that hide, in the second photo?

-Toby

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