good point below in the Oocatochis thread. The new taxonomy has rearranged the relationships between a number of families and species in some surprising ways. For the most part some of the new groupings are as yet poorly supported (for instance putting Coelognathus and Gonyosoma in the racer clade is below 50% support). But others show pretty high statistical support. For instance there is better than an 83% correlation for placing Coronella in the ratsnake family. The same of course could be said for lampropeltis, pituophis and several other groups we don't typically call ratsnakes. But currently they have places on the Kingsnake.com site (some have one or more forums of their own). But Coronella doesn't seem to have a place (at least I haven't seen them here). I'd love to see any photos or info on them. So if any of you folks from Eurasia (or any Americans who happen to have experience with them) have info I'd be very interested in seeing it.

Best regards
John

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