Just out of interest.

Are there any good books, websites, or uni papers that will give us an idea how to track down and identify the separate subspecies as they are currently given ?

As myself and Paul(coluber) are in the UK and Giel from Europe then we don't get any locality data or anything with our snakes. Basically they are called various names by dealers and we just know they are coachwhips from sight.

Scales counts, marking etc would be very handy for tracking down different ones. The most common form seems to be the grey and white western form, though we now have similar but darker ones with either red heads or slightly yellow/gold, plus we have some hatchling reds, currently no idea if they are reds or red phase westerns. Also have a normal phase eastern and one with very little black even at the head. Might be collecting supposedly a fully black whip, though it may turn out to be a European snake yet.

Thanks

Mike

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