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RE:Panacur/Nematodes

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Posted by: fireside3 at Thu Jul 31 03:48:22 2008  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by fireside3 ]  
   

I will look over again later to see if I misread something. There were many points to address.

As to the question, I just started out with as few treatments as possible and tried to use it only when necessary, such as when I saw an infestation. I soon found it to be sound judgment to treat any new incoming HLs as prophylaxis; both against any captive or move induced stress within the first 3 months, which seems to be a common factor for parasite proliferation. This also helps protect the already established population here from a new comer bringing something in.

After having a solare get ill in hibernation and discovering a nematode infestation, I did some research and realized that any nematodes a HL has when going into hibernation, will still be active and continue to steal nutrients from the dormant lizard and could starve them to death while they are asleep, and/or cause an anemic condition. After treatment and getting him to pass a big huge pile of nematodes over the next 2 weeks, I decided to add pre-hibernation treatment to the list.

I also began to suspect possible nematode issues after emergence from hibernation, which might be causing disinterest in eating even after coming up and being properly hydrated and cycled back to proper lighting and temps. I found positive results with temporarily changing prey in some cases, and in some cases a dose of Panacur seemed to bring them around. This post-hibernation treatment I consider more optional, but I recommend treatment if nematodes are discovered subsequent. I have started to lean more toward Bene-Bac treatment after emergence from hibernation to help bring gut flora back up, and I lean heavily on rehydration.

I can't say for certain that twice yearly is optimal, or that it is always sufficient. It depends on the individual HL and it's state of health at a given time, just as much as any environmental factors. This is still an evolution, but to date I can say that my research and observations have led me to conclude that Panacur is warranted or advisable under the following:

*Newcomer/quarantine
*Pre-hibernation
*Post-hibernation ( option )
*As needed upon discovery of nematodes or in suspected cases of illness that are not improved by antibiotics or other treatment.

>>Maybe you were in a hurry, but you've misread or misinterpreted a few of my points.
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>>But no need to hash it out. It's all good. You've done a bit of convincing for me, so I plan to give it more consideration.
>>I do have another question for you. Since we are feeding wild pogos in good quantity on a daily basis, how did you come to the conclusion that treating twice yearly is optimal and/or sufficient?


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