return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
International Reptile Conservation Foundation  
Click to visit Raging Rodents
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 15, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Mar 21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 27, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - Mar 28, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 30, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Apr 01, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Apr. 18-19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Apr 18, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 
Click to visit LLL Reptile
full banner - advertise here .50¢/1000 views
Click to visit Classifieds
pool banner - $50 year

my males would be called cingulum by....

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Racers & Coachwhips ] [ Reply To This Message ]
[ Register to Post ]

Posted by: 53kw at Thu Feb 26 17:14:00 2009  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by 53kw ]  
   

..some, although I disagree with separating subspecies on the basis of color alone. I find that all populations of Western Coachwhips I have seen are capable of producing all color morphs. Sibling animals can be of different color morphs, which would make siblings different subspecies by the logic of color classification. Regional origins are of little value in defining subspecies unless there are other conditions present such as climate variations which the subspecies under discussion has specifically adapted to, etc.



I have seen a similar tendency among entomologists to name subspecies based on appearance. I know enough about entomologists to know that in many instances, naming additional subspecies has more to do with a desire for authorship, or to claim that a collection is diverse when in fact it's made up of nothing more than color variations of one species.



My current postition is that the so-called subspecies of the Western Coachwhip are no more to each other than the striped and banded phases of the California Kingsnake, once thought to be separate subspecies, or the phases of the Grey-Banded Kingsnake, once thought to be separate species. Perhaps future studies will change my mind, especially if DNA evidence shows reliable regionally aligned inheritance of regional characters.


   

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  RE: my males would be called cingulum by.... - KevColubrid, Fri Feb 27 13:56:31 2009

<< Previous Message:  RE: why do I do this to myself.... - tokaysrnice, Wed Feb 25 08:58:44 2009

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You Click here to visit Classifieds Click to visit Redding Reptiles
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-