>>>>>>>>>>I don't have personal data to support it, but this is common knowledge, and it was presented as fact in Mitch Mulks' now defunct web site. Of course you don't have data to contradict what Mitch Mulks wrote either.



I'll let Mitch know that he is common knowledge. I'll also inform him that his defunct web page is being cited like the Bible. No data either way on what they do past spring but if they were to wander far from the rock piles, a hell of a lot more of them would be seen out.



>>>>>>Last time I checked, I haven't seen any skunks or redtailed hawks with crow bars looking for L. zonata. I reckon a grizzly bear would have the strength to pry open a rock crevice, but what century was it that the last grizzly was shot in California?



Obviously you have not looked for zonata much. They will sit at the edge of a crack if the conditions are right. I have seen this quite a bit. Close enough to the edge that if you are quick with a coat hanger you can loop them out. Easier for a small predator that does not need to worry about injuring the snake. Rip!
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