Didn't anyone ever tell you that it's not WHAT you say....it's HOW you say it. Feelin' kinda "ouch" right about now. Good thing I know you as well as I do, or we'd have throw a pie at 20 paces......lol.

I know you've seen likely wayyyy more parvs than I have, and probably mostly in-situ. I've not had that kind of luxury as you've not been able to see a Jersey pinesnake emerging from it's own densite (quite spectacular i might add...). However what I was implying that the parvs that i've seen in the span of the last 16 years is just what I'd alluded to -- many, which I've observed from Arrowhead locality and seemingly the most common locale, have displayed ventrals atypical to other zonata ssp. in which I'm referring to that somewhat mottled, checkerboard pattern as opposed to clean red rings going completely/consistently through the ventral portion -- and yes, some more dramatic than others.

Would you not agree that San Bernardino parv ventrals tend to be a bit "busier" than other z's?
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Jerry Kruse


And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

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