nowheres near enough info for anyone to determine anything, cage size is not just an issue of enough room to move around, its an issue of territory, most chams are solitary animals, and housing them together should only be attempted by experienced keepers, with large cages. you should never house two chams together where there is a substantial size difference, for a # of reasons ,remember with chams by the time a problem becomes noticeable it is often too late,if you dont give a cham the space it needs it will just sit there and look fine , while secretly stressing until it gets sick, if you put a larger cham in with a smaller one (especialy if they are a different sex)the larger one will just dominate the smaller one, intimidating them and causing stress, also intimidating them over food and water,once a difference in size begins to occur this usually gets worse until the smaller on gets sick and dies.chams may sit ther for months and not really physically fight but sooner or later it is almost certain thay will and the injuries are often fatal. after the first three months, males and females should only be put together for mating purposes, females can sometimes be housed together if they are approx the same size and in a large cage. your cage is just right for your smaller cham, the larger cham is ready for at least a 16x16 x36"cage but will grow quickly so you might as well step up to the full size large cage 2x2x4' there is a long and complex list of parasites that affect chams and treatment is seldom a case of just medicated dusting and often results in the death of the cham, and if your smaller cham has parasite issue keeping it with another cham will most likely spead them regardless of size or sex. if you have parasite concerns you should seek a qualified herp vet and request a fecal float for both animals, always a good idea for new chams anyway, there are no simple treatments for any cham parasite issues,if you look at this or any other cham forum you will see a large number of posts where the essence is "help my cham is sick or dying and i dont know what to do" that should tell you something right there. these are people that usually failed to learn or ignored mainstream advice. even experienced cham keepers have problems. the best cham keeping tool is knowledge of the particular cham you are trying to keep, keeping chams is not like keeping snakes or bearded dragons if you fail to give them the enviroment they require , one day they will just appear sick and it will in all probability be too late to do anything about. your cage is too small for the bigger cham let alone both of them, if you do have parasites you will not get rid of them by simply dusting , as a cham keeper it is your responsibilty to learn all you can about the animals you are trying to keep (the chams certainly cant do it) to do your own research from a multitude of sources, and not just rely on what the pet store or a single person has told you,the best way to tell if a cham is sick is by examination of the feces, it should have three components , fist a firm dark brown thats the pooh , second a firm white (not yellow) portion(the urates), and to a lesser degree some clear liquid that usually goes unnoticed. if your chams eyes are sunken or any part of your cams pooh has a strong or objectionable odor , or any part of the pooh is gelatinous or yellow then your cham has issues. sexing veileds is easy at almost any age , the males have a small tuft of skin behind their rear feet that looks like a false toe, it is called a tarsal spur. if you are unsure of the health of your current chams why would you proceed in getting another one? wouldnt it be more rewarding to have two healthy thriving ones, than three sick ones ? i would strongly recomend reading http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Show Entire Thread ]