I know that these chucks were sold wholesale to a couple of vendors, so we might have gotten them from the same person, but might not have. I know of at least three different vendors who sold Box Canyon chucks this summer.

I have discussed these chucks with several long time chuck keepers and we have come to the conclusion that their area is somewhat between granite and red back territory, so I believe that they are both. I have a male that came from the same area as my older redback/salt and pepper male, and he looks just like a granite with a faint red back.

My point in my first post is that you really can't know if they are building up sand in the GI track without an xray until they crash. I would especially get them off sand for at least a month or two before you brumate, but Doug also warned me not to brumate this first year in captivity, and given the problems that I have had, I wasn't going to do that anyway.

Eve, I will definitely mention that infection to the vet. We are probably going to talk again on Monday.

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