return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You  
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Kingsnake Merch Store . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  End of January 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Fun Fact Friday - Green Tree Monitor . . . . . . . . . .  The Evolution of the Osteoderm discovered . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS Expo Jan 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Diamondback discovered in new Texas county for first time . . . . . . . . . .  Expo Setup . . . . . . . . . .  Reptiles greater than Golden Globes . . . . . . . . . .  Meander Monday . . . . . . . . . .  Update: Release mobile friendly!! . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show Pomona California . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Apr. 18-19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Apr 18, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - April 25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Big Sky Reptile Expo - April 25-26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - May 06, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  CRE - May 16-17, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - May 16, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - May 17, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 
Click for ZooMed
full banner - advertise here .50¢/1000 views
Click to visit Classifieds
pool banner - $50 year

RE: Chris Dieter

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Crocodilians ] [ Reply To This Message ]
[ Register to Post ]

Posted by: CDieter at Mon Dec 7 10:58:22 2009  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by CDieter ]  
   

Hi Tom,



We heat because we feel it makes a noticable difference in the animals well being and for our own peace of mind. Like I mentioned I have a well(2 actually) and I use them but the heaters are better for 2 reasons:



1. Water temperature can be raised faster and to a higher point.



2. Far less messy, heating with a well requires a constant water flow and that water has to go somewhere. We have good drainage but if you couple constant well water flow with a big Texas rain on clay based soil and your talking a serious volume of water.



We are heating natural earth ponds.



I agree with what you have said in principle. The Niles are very temperature tolerant. But they are not bulletproof. Once they are large enough to get into natural Earth ponds they are much more likely to survive our relatively mild winter. The reason being the mud at the bottom of the pond rarely drops below 60 degrees and they dig massive underground burrows. I used to think the winter was a fail safe in case we ever lost an animal but I no longer feel that way, just to many microclimates for them to overwinter and survive. Our challenge is to ensure these microclimates exist within the walls of their enclosure.



Otherwise we have had a loss here and there with animals that are not in natural earth pond(waterlands, concrete, stock tanks). This typically occurs when the water temp drops below 50. Nile crocodiles start to lose muscle control when the temperature drops between 44-50 and drowning is the usual result. There also appears to be some individual variance perhaps based on origin.



One of our main problems with animals outside of Niles is that they tend to get caught on the banks and then a front blows through and they get stuck there unable to move and freeze to death if we don't see them. Spectacled caiman are the worst at this little trick.



Stay well and your turtle is in my thoughts. That animal is really incredible.



Chris
-----
CDieter

'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'


   

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Show Entire Thread ]


<< Previous Message:  RE: Chris Dieter - TOM_CRUTCHFIELD, Mon Dec 7 07:12:27 2009

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You Click to visit Sierra Fish and Pets Click here to visit Classifieds
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-