Hi Vic. I can't answer why the Baytril is so painful to the tortoises, but I have seen its effects numerous times and felt so badly for the animals I vowed not to use it any more. Luckily the Fortaz became available about the same time. It is VERY costly though. I have found the best sources are huge vet clinic chains or vet schools with large numbers of patients that actually keep it on hand. For a small private vet clinic to order a drug which costs about $300 for 10 little vials that have only a 6-10 month shelf life is cost-prohibitive. They generally charge enough per vial in my experience to cover about 25-35% of their cost for the whole box because they know it will very likely expire before they use it again. I couldn't find a local vet who had it in stock a year or two ago, so tried buying it for myself from a supplier as a duly licensed health professional, and learned that the same box a vet can buy for $300 is only available to me on my (human) drug license for $700!!! Unbelievable, but sadly, it's true.

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