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RE: Striped-Abberrant-Amel Ruthven's ?.

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Posted by: Jlassiter at Mon Dec 13 20:07:43 2010  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Jlassiter ]  

>>Has the exact mode of inheritance been discovered for the striped abberrant trait?

I don't think it has been figured out Aaron. Shannon knows more about it than I do. I do know that Justin never figured it out. He kept claiming that 1 out of 16 of his offspring would be amel super stripe and he never produced one. He also claimed the striped gene was recessive like the amel gene but it never worked that way.

>>I am thinking it works the same as a simple recessive gene except the hets are actually visual. That is the way several pattern mutations work in boids, I believe, and I think they call it co-dominant or dominante, I not really sure. So I am thinking a striped abberrant ruthveni would function like a heterozygous does and a super striped abberrant would function the same way as a homozygous.
>>For example:
>>Striped abberrant x normal = 50% striped abberrant 50% normal.

Maybe, but the Striped aberrants may just show a slight degree of aberrancy....

>>Striped abberrant x striped abberrant = 25% normal, 50% striped abberrant and 25% super striped abberrant.

I wish I had some more to experiment with. I do have a striped aberrant male and a "het" female with one tiny stripe in her pattern that I am going to try next year....

This has not been proven to be true. I think Ryan Hoyer stated that he produced a super stripe with this type of pairing and that is how Justin produced his super stripes, but I don't think the percentage all worked out like they would with recessive genes.....
>>Super striped abberrant x normal = 100% striped abberrant.

Again...Maybe but some of the aberrant stripes are just slightly aberrant and not striped.....I bet the gene can be further line bred to produce these odds though.....
Many people confuse a line bred trait with a co dominant or dominant trait. Take a line bred trait and refine it. Then breed the refined look to a normal and you will be going backwards and get an inbetweener slightly showing the trait you desire.....

>>Super striped abberrant x striped abberrant = 50% super striped abberrant and 50% striped abberrant.

If anyone could ever get their hands on the Super Stripes and get them to breed successfully then maybe we would know if a Super X Super would produce all Supers, but Justin tried, Justin's cousin tried and Nathan tried with no luck at far as I know....

>>Do you know if that's the way this trait works?

>>If that's the way it works I can imagine these are the problems that could occur: A normal ruthveni with a few broken bands can easily be confused with a low grade striped abberrant and vice versa. A low grade super striped abberrant could easily be confused with a high grade striped abberrant. I'm sure sometimes it's obvious but on an individual basis I don't know if enough have been produced for anyone to say for sure that a super always looks this way or that way. Misinterpretation of these visual appearances could easily cause problems when people are pairing up adults and when they are trying to count the results from clutches. It's taken me so long to type this that I can't remember what your description of super was, lol. I am going to have to go back and re-read it after I post this,lol.

You may be correct, but the few "supers" I have seen have ground color on their dorsum that is bordered by black....I can see it being hard to discern and amel super, but the one pic I sent you via email is the closest I've seen and I still don't think it's an amel super.....I could certainly be wrong though......

>>The original "het" that started this trait, that I owned for a time and has changed hands many times and which I think you may own now, was not even discernable from a normal. The only difference it had was it had a white snout, the rest of the snake was totally typical. I think that may have caused some confusion in the beginning because it made it seems like this was a simple recessive trait. That snake is my basis for saying these things may not always look the way we think they should.

I have him here but I do not own him...He is still Shannon's. I have him cooling and may pair him up with my normal het for nothing female, but I dunno.....He's 30 now and has cataracts in both eyes, but he LOVES to eat.....LOL

>>I'm definately not claiming to have this figured out. At best I'm just hoping to present some theories and maybe give people some things to watch out for when trying to determine what's what. I also appreciate all your comments.

I haven't either and don't claim to either....LOL
I will have to start proving it out with my striped male and "het" female.....Jimmy T. got all of Ryan's and we stay in contact. Maybe he'll produce some supers and amel stripes this year....maybe even a super striped amel......We'll see....

I wish it were that simple....
But if you bred a Stripe to a Stripe you are not guaranteed super stripes....not even 25% chance.
John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...


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