HOLY GAINT TORTOISE BATMAN! or should I say tortoisemen with pardalis blood and DNA from tortoises gods!"Winning" You guy's have found a new sub.in my humble opinion. Congrads bigtime, that is a huge tortoise and your right-on with your taxonomy logic on why it should be a new subspecies.(how about head size/shape plate count ect??. Now, get on over to Asia and find me the possable 3rd subsp. M.e.phayrei, that should be on the faimed Crumbly & Crumbly's* 1990 ultra simplistic and Scientificly lazy location of the North/South "cline". You can do it and, Yea! vicmorgani seems reasonable. Very good work guy's, Peter Pritchard, and other grate Herpetologest would be proud of you. This my friends is HERP.HISTORY! Vic Morgan

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