Not sure about notaeus, but probing is difficult with young murinus until you are aware of the differences, and does take some practice. Greens do have a different structure within the cloaca than other boids and require a different probing procedure. The probe first needs to be inserted into one side of the cloaca opening perpendicular to the body, and in about one-third or a little more of the way through the body. Holding it steady, and without allowing it to move back out any, rotate it parallel to the body and move it back into the tail as you would probe any other boid. All of this needs to be done very slowly and easily to avoid injury. As I stated earlier, not sure if this holds true for notaeus as well, but I would be interested in knowing. Females will only probe two or three subcaudals, males considerably more.

Kelly

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