"...Dobry is using an apples to apples comparison with Gregg, as gregg is talking about odatria."

Bingo - that's exactly why I asked, because I think with some other species it would be like comparing apples to oranges.

"Hi Crocdoc, I recieved five clutches in a row from two different lacies, thats ten clutches, using whole cage nesting."

And how did that work out for you, Frank?

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Relevant quote from your post: "Just to make it a bit real, I produced well over a hundred lacies, from four females, some laying five clutches a year, AND I STILL DID NOT HAVE NESTING RIGHT. As I lost each and every female to early reproductive failure."

I think lace monitors are the 'oranges' here because of how they nest in the wild.

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