Hi Gregg, you keep missing what i am saying. I did not say nest boxes did not work for me. They most likely worked as well as yours did for you.

What I want to know is, age at first clutch, number of eggs, how many clutches a year, how close they were from clutch to clutch, number of successful hatchlings, etc.

You see Gregg, this is the results that you can compare, Not it worked or it didn't.

If you supply your, Johns results, then we can compare and not have to say, mines better, no mines better.

I have to say, I will put our results up to anyone. oh and by the way, mine have been published. And Johns reading these, so he can verify your reports.

If whole cage nesting did not work for you, then you sir are doing something wrong.

It worked for me like this, early on, I was very successful, but after years of improving our nesting, we doubled and tripled our successful results, on nearly all species. Mine you, one year, I produced neonates from 18 different species. One calendar year.

So if you could report your results, then we can compare and see if there is an improvement.

You see Gregg, this is why I get the feeling your young, in an experience sort of way. You tend to think is failed or succeeded, when you get past the basics, you can achieve many levels of results.

For instance, I reported many years ago, that our ackies have produced successful clutches at six months of age. Yet, most folks thought that was not possible. Just recently, Chris from the UK who is on our forum, recieved a perfect clutch from a six month old female. I also reported minimum size was 11 total inches. Chris has a litter mate to the one who just laid thats gravid and 11 inches long.

So I say, Chris has confirmed my reports.

So I have to say, put up some successful reports so we can compare. Then we, you and I can go to work on which method is superior.

You see, I have had success with both methods and others as well. To me its more about which method reveals superior results and which method is the easist to apply. Again, all measured by successful hatching.

So if I were you, I would investigate why your whole cage nesting did not work so well. As it has worked for me and many others in a superior way. That is, unless your results are superior to ours. Thanks

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