Dumb KS timed out my first reply so lets try this again.

I was going to stay out of the conversation between Frank (FR) and Dave (Crocdoc) because I have respect for both of you and really have no business commenting on again against either of you due to my limited success. Dave has always been there for me on the forums and at the same time I have always looked here and v.net to see what Frank had going on. Staying open minded leads to new ideas, improvements, etc. More then one way to skin a cat or so they say.

You both offer sound advice to novice and advanced keepers. You both say whole foods and proper setup is key to success. You both measure success through your monitors/goannas life events and health. You both agree that true success is getting the monitor to conditions that females can nest, lay eggs, hatch eggs, recover and be in health to do it again. You both are in it for monitors and not for others and their feelings. Dave is generally more clear cut and to the point. Frank makes you think for yourself and says this is what I do. You both are old dinosaurs compared to a young pup like me

Im not sure why we are stuck on this termite mound discussion. You both know it is the conditions inside an active mound that makes it suitable for nesting. Regardless whether it is a termite mound, rotting log, or whatever that if a female finds the conditions with stable temps/humidty/ and proper medium that she will lay there. In captivity we should be focusing more on the conditions then whether it is in a nest box, termite mound, dirt on the cage floor etc. Nest boxes have to be more accurate and whole cage offers more choices and you both would agree.

Frank and Dave on the same forum discussing and offering different points of views is exactly what the hobby needs to move forward. Of coarse Justin aka Krusty is always a good addition. We could call it the big 3. Sorry for mentioning you Justin but you are a big player these days

Lets move on to pics of goblin, love rug conversations (I would love to hear FRs take on how your lace monitors mate on the same rug outside of their enclosure time after time), and move on to discussion of medium/temps you guys use whether it be in a box, ground, hollow log or whatever.

Most importantly I have two ackie heads poking from what I thought were bad eggs :D

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