I believe Richard gave that presentation in Viena but it didbn't make the proceedings.

The first time I talked to Richard about the topic was at a meeting of the Northern California Herp Society where he was hawking these beautifully shaped white leopards. We came to the same conclusion from different directions as I'm sure other keepers did.

This is Richards site... http://ivorytortoise.com/


>>I thank you both for the reading info. Ordered yours today Ed and will researh Mr. Fifes asap. Thank you both. Maybe we can start a post on good reading material for torts whether it being published or not. I will go through my favorites tonite and get it started when get chance.
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Ed @ Tortoise Keepers
Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

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