Thank you very much! i think it does help gain some ground here... also thanks to everyone else for the welcome and input...i think for sure now we can say its a variable just like many other reds....i've seen pics of wc nebraska bulls with more red tones than normal for the region, i think it is very uncommon though..... i want to say that it strengthens the assumption that there are also populations of much redder ones out there...again much like a kingsville! just maybe not so well known by a location name. but still not so sure on that one!.....pretty neat stuff how that pairing came out for you though!......not to get off topic here but in 1990 i was 8 years old, i cant imagine what it was like trying to trade and communicate back then. amazing.... much respect to the pioneers of these beasts and what they have done for all of us. my collection is there for me to see thanks to these guys and the generations they have given there hard earned knowlage and bloodlines too!...... i'm just learning things and raising snakes that someone else has already proved out with there own hard work! things can only get better from here!!!!!!... anyways....please everyone keep with the stories and if there are any pics of odd northerns ....lets see them!

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