The moral question is Living in captivity or becoming soup. It is going to stop nothing as the new age smuggular is the corrupt governments in Asia that will give CITES papers for wild captured reptiles as "farm raised" It happens everyday, I compeat with them now and you can tell by the age and price ($150 retail for a nine inch Mt.Tortoises) and the internal paracites no one hatched it out in captivity. They suffer and die and its all legal. Dealers in Asia beg me for my CB Manouria because "farm" never live more than six months. Pet stores all over Asia are full of so called "farm raised" legal CITES animals. As far as little evadence captive breeding can help "save' them, well who is dragging their feet there? Vic Morgan

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