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RE: E. c. palmeri? Needs second opinions...

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Posted by: pictigaster at Thu Jun 20 12:58:58 2013  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by pictigaster ]  
   

The pictures aren't bad, these guys can be difficult to photograph. Sorry to hear you lost one... I can tell you that they are all Southerns or integrades. Definitely multicarinata and not northern alligator lizards. They simply represent a sample of the extremely variable Elgaria muticarinata complex with one tending more toward the northern cousin the Oregon alligator lizard (Elgaria multicarinata scincicauda) and the other looking more like the southern subspecies the San Diego Alligator lizard (Elgaria multicarinata webbii). The gene flow seems to be such that they are darker the further south you go in Cali and lighter the further north up into Oregon. I'd still have to say they are all straight southerns (Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata), they're just that variable. If they represent an integrade population it would be southern (Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata) X Oregon (Elgaria multicarinata scincicauda). Good luck on the eggs if you get some!


   

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