It seems people aren't really paying attention to what you're saying, and would rather keep highlighting their superiority of knowledge.

Superiority of knowledge? Its about having the right information presented.

You made it abundantly clear that you weren't necessarily disputing their scientific claims - though I personally think they could easily be wrong and you shouldn't be intimidated by all these claims of 'years of experience'.

Are the people who actually studied the venom of hognose snakes wrong? You know, the ones with the PHd who do this for a living? The info Troy and myself are presenting is fact based on the reports and studies.

I've kept numerous animals including monkeys, foxes, mink, wildcats (hence the name caracal) and 100's of others. I've been bitten too many times to mention. I've also had reactions to bites, visually identical to Troy's, from animals that are absolutely not venomous in the regular sense of the word.

What are these animals that are not venomous in the regular sense of the word?

That having been said, most of us accept that hogs are rear-fanged venomous.

And those who do not accept that fact are foolish. So why all the resistance?

Certainly all this talk of "responsibility" is just self righteous posturing. Like you said, explaining to a customer the risks of hognose handling (which are probably close to zero), has nothing to with drawing attention on a public forums to an unusual overreaction to a bite.

Since when is providing proper information self righteous posturing? And obviously having a reaction to their venom is not close to zero. It is becoming more common as the species becomes more popular in collections. Troys reaction is not all that unusual.

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