As you know, I challenged those assumptions and proved them wrong with varanids. What most do not understand is the methods I used with varanids were developed and perfected with snakes.

About herp degrees, your both right again, The degrees are normally in some area of biology, including evolutionary bio. with an emphasis on herp. But you graduate as a herpetologist.

Back to the subject, toxic, venomous etc. The error here is one of those biology assumptions I mentioned. The error is, no snake is actually harmless. with the exception of such species as blindsnakes, or others so small that even eating them is ok.

I did mention that early on. The word harmless is what should be questioned.

Last night herping was not so good, Three adult tiger rattlesnakes, two longnose, and one rear fanged venomous snake, a spotted night, which venom much more toxic then a hognose.(did you like this sentence? it included both venomous and toxic)

Thank you guys for this thread, its something this forum needs. And that is more true then most of what was written. Best wishes

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