First off then what do you call this reply? You wanted it just as much as i did calling me out!, Difference is i'm honest to myself, Very funny that this is going to be your last post on this subject, Your brain washing tactics the way you write to confuse don't work on me Troy and they do not work on frank either because we do read carefully, We both care, As others do too, We have to either believe what you say or we are wrong by default our experience and understanding is VOID in your mind.

The way you write your replys are cunning but i'm afraid you have failed trying to win this arguement,And now you underline words to show others that its only your opinion not FACTUAL INFORMATION,Your answer to stress was this qoute: No, I can't imagine that the snake would be too happy from the experience as it was hoping to eat and all it got was a taste. BUT on the same post you write: I've been keeping snakes for over 20 years and have been bitten countless times, I've never noticed any of them suffering from undue stress from having bit me.

So to cut a long story short you are Hipocrite and Wrong, You accept stress can be caused but at the same time you see no stress? HOGNOSES are experts in STRESS there whole DEFENSIVE behaviour is based on IT, They show us VERY clearly when they are stressed, You keep forgetting the human element in all this and the danger of what can happen when someone does not know what they are doing and the consequences Advice you GIVE may cause, You have a responsibility to the public and you let your own agenda and forum politics get in the way, VERY selfish. In this post you accepted Stress more than before, Its your way of showing you are right Nr. 1.

I'll go with what Frank says on this, Going to Agree to Disagree on STRESS or Envenomation (Health/Age/Weight related allergic reaction to the protein in mildly toxic venom what i think happened,Read John Berrys Book Guys on the subject teeth/venom make your own mind up...

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