My point and the reason I call you on the B.S is that it is a horse of a different color to say one person came up with what is now considered modern husbandry technique vs. years of hard arsed work done by many, many people leading to the conclusions that you promote.

What we need is an army of people who understand modern husbandry application that can help spread good info and dispel bad info.I think we need to show that these ideas are a progression of thinking throughout the history of animal keeping, a culmination of hundreds of workers lifetime output(both failure and success), not just one guy who thinks he invented dirt. By showing how keepers now can help be a part of the progression instead of sycophantic sheep, that they can add to the history as well as learn from it would in my opinion lead to greater progress and better treatment of these animals.



Your personal attacks on me do not interest me in the least, could you try and make them funnier though?

As far as me missing the boat, I don't get your line of thinking here? There is so much misinformation out there, so many crappy exhibits world wide, so many crappy keepers, so many dead and dying animals, from where I sit there is a LOT of work to be done and spreading lies and misinformation is not helpful.

You think everything has been done? you must not get out much!



O.k the 1965 stuff:

When Hediger saw the pic of the force feeding of the retic he lamented that the zoo did not understand the animal, he stated that the retic does not need to be force fed in the wild and that the conditions in the zoo were inadequate. Hediger remarked that although the snake was kept in a green house with a radiator the animal was forced to sit on cold concrete, sucking the heat from the animal. He remarked about the high heat and humidity where these animals occur in nature and suggested replicating it instead of force feeding.

So here was a guy who understood surface temps before temp guns!

Getting cut off here

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