I understand where your so off base. For some silly reason, you trying to place me/stuff, in areas you flat do not understand.

In context, I and some of my peers are indeed the fathers and grandfathers of this, the modern hobby of keeping. You know, shows, meetings, products etc. Modern keeping, the pet trade.

When those folks were in their prime, they did not have any of this. We did, my peers and I, started this mess.

When I talk here on this forum, I am talking about applying those techniques and ideas, in this area.

I will take credit for being a part of this area of herps and husbandry. In those old days, just producing one offspring gained you awards. But that type of information would never support this industry. Those folks you mention were not part of this area. Its this area that makes folks aware of snakes/reptiles. In the day of those people, nobody kept them, and snakes/reptiles were to be hated.

I did read those old books, over and over, and I am sure they are part of me. But again, we are alike, I did not worry about what they did right, I spend more time fixing what they did wrong. And I am sure they would congratulate me for that.

The problem is, your trying to be somewhat of an historian, only you have not picked up or the different eras of keeping. All my work was for this era of keeping.

May I warn you, If you do not do something, all you will have in the future is, recipe/shoebox husbandry. And monitors will be gone, as they don't play that game.

All in all, you are also a history drop out. As you know nothing of the time, as I mentioned earlier(your academic). As for me, such folks as Jim Murphy, Wes Dickenson, and the Joesph Lazlos taugh me valuable lessons. I did not argue with them, even when I disagreed and man I did. Only years later, what they said, came to play. I thank them. Whats important was, I was playing the game and kept on playing. All you do is whine. and like all whiners, are of no importance.

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