follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
click here for The Bean Farm  
Click here for LLL Reptile & Supply
This Space Available
3 months for $50.00
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Herp Photo of the Day: Lizard . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - April 25, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Repticon at Americas Family Pet Expo - Apr. 27-29, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Amph. and Reptile Society Meeti - April 27, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Suncoast Herp Society Meeting - April 28, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  ReptiCon Chattanooga - Apr. 28-29, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Hamburg Reptile Show - Apr. 28, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Nebraska Herp Society Expo - April 29, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - May 02, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Central Illinois Herp Society Meeting - May 03, 2018 . . . . . . . . . .  Calusa Herp Society Meeting - May 03, 2018 . . . . . . . . . . 
Click here for cbreptile.com
full banner - advertise here .50¢/1000 views
click here for Reptile SuperShow
pool banner - $50 year

I think it's a Ruthveni

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Mexicana Kingsnakes ] [ Reply To This Message ]
[ Register to Post ]

Posted by: Ameron at Fri May 9 22:28:55 2014  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Ameron ]  
   

Relatively new to the taxonomy dilemma (and sometimes raging side discussions), I have done a fair amount of research in recent months about both Milks, Mexicana complex snakes and the Jalisco Milk vs. Ruthveni dilemma.

I've also researched Google & other Internet images of dozens of specimens. What I've come to find is that the hallmark trait of Ruthveni snakes seem to be the *square jaw*, almost like that of a Russian Rat snake, or certain Cobras. Nuevo Leons, Thayeri, whatever you wish to call them, seem to have a much more *rounded & pointed snout*.

Mutant? Maybe, but I'm not as concerned that Leonis, Thayeri or related snakes are bred to others of different areas, as long as they are the same subspecies. (If you breed a Celtic man from Leeds with a Celtic wife from Darby, their kids are still Celts - if you know what I mean.) I don't vote for mixing different subspecies or species, however. I’ve always been a locale-specific man.

1.0 Boa constrictor imperator (Hog Island)
0.1 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
1.0 Agrionemys horsfieldii kazakhstanica


   

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  RE: I think it's a Ruthveni - Aaron, Wed Jun 25 00:46:53 2014

<< Previous Message:  Ruthveni - HappyHeathen, Wed Nov 27 22:33:13 2013 image in post