Just to make clear, the cage is brill the mons are, but the point scoring is very unhelpful.



People are still buying savs & pet shops are still selling them at very low prices to be put in unsuitable cages, you can't tell them they need 8x4x4 2 foot deep of soil etc etc, they just switch off & carry on doing what the pet shop has told them.



Get them using soil boxes & cages that are sealed better, help design nest boxes that improve the females survival, find ways around the problem that they can afford to alter.



They've bought it & have it at home there's no going back then, help them build their interest in the hobbie & develop their skills. don't switch them off & tell them they'll kill their captive.



Keep debates to been debates & not personnel attacks, most long term keepers have given in & new keepers don't stay long with all the preaching.



Something has to change or the forums will be finished, perhaps they are already!

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