And heres why,

1. Gregg and I agree, did you miss that?

2. your a scientist, hmmmmm then why not use science or logical thinking in your argument/discussion? Your being anthropromorphic, which in case you did not learn what that is in your science. Its applying human values to animals.(in this case)

3. This is a discussion board, its a place where folks "discuss" husbandry, the keeping and breeding of hognose. In that, we are suppose to "discuss" what we agree with and not agree with. If there are opposing views or experience, we are then suppose to support our views with evidence, experience, observations, and results etc. Not attack the other person. Attacking the other person, is normally done because you the attacker, have no valid support or argument. So you attack. Which is weak and a default of your argument. Its literally to give up.

4. Win, lose or draw, no one is forced to learn, believe, apply, anything said here. All and all, and sadly(for the animals) you/keepers are allowed to do what ever you want. The best results that could possibly occur from forum debates are, some one learns something that helps them with their captive hognose.

So please, support your statements and stop with the horseshat.

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