The problem is human behavior(Psychology and ethology) Discern is not defending what he does, as he has not mentioned that at all.

He clearly is attempting to discredit you and I. He simply does not want anyone to be considered Above or better. If we show weakness, he will feel a lot better. So I will say this.

Discern, I learned over the last fifty years of keeping, and much of it was based on making husbandry errors, That is, reacting to a problem, is how I/we learned. I am pretty sure, I have made all the mistakes other people make and more. But I learned over time, a long time. Many animals suffered

When I was young, there were no successful breeders, there was no way to learn from others. That is important.

If you remember, after about the first month here on this forum. I saw people making husbandry mistakes. That is, having husbandry problems, that were understood and cured, 40 years ago. Again, many animals are suffering. So whether Gregg or I make assumptions, or slight inaccuracies, that is not the question. The real question is, Why do you want more and more snakes to suffer? I really do not mind being corrected, but I do wish it was TO THE BENEFIT of the animals and not to support human ego. end part 1

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