Again well said, the problem is not about hognose and its not about science or husbandry, its about people and people who apply captive knowledge to hognose. More specifically, if you want to be accurate and scientific, its about human psychology. For instance, Caracal's arguments have nothing to do with science or scientific methods, or even known husbandry, He's being combative and argumentative, based on human psychology.

While husbandry is scientifically based and supported, its about individual humans who have animals in their control(total control)

If you look at it from a scientific point of view, rack system, recipe keeping, where every natural and recognizable to the kept is taken away, is not about science, biology or husbandry, its more about human control issues.

Simply put, to take away everything important to an animal is done by keepers for one simply reason, WE CAN. Its a method of empowerment and perceived strength.

If you observe whats happening here, any suggestion where power of choice is given back to the animal is an attack on many keepers. To empower the kept and take away from the keeper, is indeed perceived as a lessening of their position.

The reality is, all folks like Caracal need to do is, say thank you and go on with what they intend to do. But that is not what they do, they fight tooth and claw. As you can see.

I present this, its not about hognose, or keeping, or methods, its all about human psychology. In a sense, its funny, its reptile ethology in a deadly fight with human ethology. In the end, its not about bad people, is actually about caring people who would feel really really bad if they owned the fact that snakes are intelligent and think and make choices. As a side to husbandry issues, the problems are not husbandry based but human psychology based.

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