Dang Will, and they think I am mean!!!!!!! As I mentioned, its not about husbandry, known or otherwise. Its human psychology. I am a nice guy and have faith in most of these people. I think if they learned that these animals are not place holders and have a life and have personalities and make choices, and Do stuff, it would really hurt their feelings and it would cause them to think of themselves in a bad lite. They would feel bad for keeping them is such minimal conditions that have nothing important to the animals. So they fight tooth and claw. They are simply protecting themselves. Normally the simplest reason is has the highest chance of being accurate. If it was about methods of husbandry, they would ignore what they did not want to use. I always say, if your happy doing what your doing, keep doing it. But they do not, they are relentless in their attacks and fight like there is no tomorrow. Which simply means, its personal to them. To use science as a defense is silly. Again simply put, if science says gophersnakes do not fly, and it was then discovered that some did fly, science would quickly rewrite that gophersnakes can under some circumstances fly. That is what science does, Its very scientific for science to change its methods of study to increase its body of knowledge, to stop and support methods, is bad science, in lieu of new information. To be scientific, is to welcome new information and test it. In debate, folks like Caracal are only using terms to debate, not achieve results.

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