What we have is a difference is Philosophy. Your approach seems to be based on people and learning from them. My approach is based on the animals themselves and learning from them.

Many on this forum are like you and the reason is simple. Its their only reference. And I understand that.

I grew up in the city and that too was my only reference. You know, to read to learn about our natural world. But what I read, did not equal, what I observed. So as soon as I was able, I moved to areas full of reptiles and actually live with them. I moved to Fla. Back when Fla, was Fla. And I then moved to Az. Which is still unoccupied(comparatively speaking)

So yes, I am hardheaded as any pragmatic person should be. My offerings here are based on observation and application. Not debate. Again, information here is to be tested or not, not so much argued to death. To me arguing means a lack of positive data to offer others.

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