This is what is confusing to me, And its not against anyone, it is just what it is.

Caracal has some odd approach to this conversation. He keeps saying, I spoke to this or that person and they said this or that. He does not use names, so no one can check and see for themselves. This is heresay, as no names, no details are given.

I took spend the weekend of the 4th of July, talking to and herping with a BIG TIME BREEDER, he produces aprox 11,000 colubrids a year. He is the originater and owner of this company. I asked if they produced hogs, he said yes, both westerns and kennerlyi. So I asked nesting details. He said they put a nesting box in the cage. I asked at what time, he said, I don't know. Then he said, his hognose were inconsistent. They get some but not like other colubrids which produce like rodents. They keep them in the same setup and conditions, but do not respond nearly as well as KINGS AND CORNS. No other details were given.

Which like Caracals heresay, is meaningless to this conversation. Unless they are doing exactly what we are talking about, their information is useless. The exact point is, my good friend simply did not care about deep nesting etc. They either fit into what they do, or they will put something else in those cages.

The point of this forum is, we are lucky enough to get information from the horses mouth. In this case, Gregg is a big time hog breeder and he says one thing. With my experience with other species, I totally agree with Gregg and from my recent experience, my axanthic laid at most likely the third day, but I did not dig them up until the 5th day. There was no vascular development when laid. Which is consistant with all other colubrids I produced over the last 50 years.

The advantage of this forum is, we all can tell exactly what our experiences are. So far, its 2 to 1. pt1

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