Gregg asks for details, which is important, but details are not so important if we can quantify these observations. That is, if we came together and accumulated this information, vascular development based on days from the shed. Exact temps and such are not needed. Not at first.

Once we see a pattern of those that have vascular development opposed to those that do not, we can then question such things as temps, nesting quality, and of course time from shed, then more importantly, time from ovulation(if different then from the shed)etc.

Now to change the subject. Whats wrong with some on this forum, in my opinion. Caracal and others do this, they immediately form conclusions based on notes and limited data. Or try to form conclusions way to early in the process.

Like Gregg keeps mentioning, in order to understand the process, you have to include the otherside in your testing. Or as many sides(approaches) as you can.

As Gregg mentions, Caracal keeps doing what he's doing, which is wonderful, and then applying that to something else. So again, Caracal, if you want to understand that something else, you need to do something different. I am testing all manner of materials and approaches, and of course get ridiculed for doing that. That goes with the territory. I have pioneered many herp related subjects, and I have done so for a few good reasons. One is, you cannot be influenced by the mainstay standards, as they will only hold you back, and two is, you cannot be afraid to fail. Testing means, your going to fail. In the case of these snakes, all you have to keep in mind is, stop the testing and return to normal before it hurts the animal. In this case, its even less dangerous, I offer what is "normal" to keepers, then test options, the animals can then do what they are designed to do, make their own choice. If they use something, keep going, if they don't, move to another choice. Its easy, safe and fun.

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