Hi Austin, please try and understand this, You and others seem to be driven by what "others" do. And without question, your welome to do that. But other folks and I, have done what we do for a very long time and it at times differs from what you hear. Interesting part is, its not a problem. Like Paul, around here, the only place cooler then 85F is in my fridge. So mid to high 80's is and has been used very successfully for decades. So you question us, We question you. funny thing is, growing up in SoCal, we commonly hatched colubrid eggs at room temps, in the low to mid seventies.

To me, what makes me the bad guy to some of you is, I do not follow the same sources as you. Its as simple as this, at this time of year, where the hogs occur, theres nowhere to nest that is not in the mid eighties or above.

Heres more for you, in nature and in my outdoor cages, herp eggs commonly are underwater for hours, even days and still hatch. The reality is, all our methods are wrong compared to nature. There, they can get really hot, and go underwater and get really cold and still hatch. Even over winter. In captivity, not so much.

You see, my teacher is nature, and yours seems to be what "others" do. Which is fine for you. But please do not make me go by what others do. Let me follow the wonders of nature. Which hognose are by the way.

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