I gotta agree with John. Congrats Herman you got some awesome lookin animals. I can't stand it when ppl get on these forums to trash what others doin. We all in this cuz we love these animals we should be happy for what the next guy is doing. We are in danger of losing our right to keep these awesome animals so we should be fighting the politicians and people who hate us n what we do not each other! I've been a pituophis fan for a long time but I just started raising bulls and pines hoping to breed the last couple yrs.
Ppl like Jason and Jonel and several others are a inspiration to me. If u ain't a fan of someone's work that's fine just go somewhere else but don't trash their hard work just. There's absolutely nothing wrong with making your own line of something at all. Herman I appreciate what ur doin they really are nice animals!

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