Gregg and Troy, why do you think people should agree with theory and hypothesis???????? This baffles me. Gregg, I totally agree with the snakes you just posted, wonderful and meaningful. But why does anything have to agree with anything else.

The reason is, this forum and you guys, want it to be about you. When in fact its about the hognose.

You want it to be about science, yet science teaches you one thing, do not believe in theory, believe in results, until more results forces you to reevaluate your past results and associated results.

Here genetics are proprietary, that is, rules of genetics are twisted to fit a particular area, in this case, pet trade hognose. I say pet trade because its about producing a sellable product. A jag, a conda, etc. Its not about real science or even pet trade genetics. For instance in other areas, a morph must be able to withstand many generations of inbreeding to be labelled. In rodents, its something like 25 generations. If it cannot withstand that, its merely a color phase.

Anyway, you get the picture. If Troy would simply post the animals that allowed him to form an opinion, that would really help. That would provide material to consider. Or at least, enjoy. Science taught me to not believe, you, troy, or myself. But to believe in results. I hope others are trained in that fashion So to force others to believe in your view point is odd without support. The animals are the support. Its not about what people think. people think Brady deflated his balls. When in fact, his super model wife ordered him to over inflate them.

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