return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
Click for ZooMed  
Click to visit Hell Creek Reptiles
This Space Available
Contact Sales!
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Herp Photo of the Day : Wrestling Wednesday . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake's new logo . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Jan 07, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show - Jan 10-11 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Jan 17, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Jan 18, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Jan 23, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Jan 24-25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - Jan 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - Jan 26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Feb 04, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Feb 15, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 
Click for ZooMed
full banner - advertise here .50¢/1000 views
Click here for Dragon Serpents
pool banner - $50 year

RE: `Good scientists' and `good philosophers'

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Taxonomy Discussion ] [ Reply To This Message ]
[ Register to Post ]

Posted by: WW at Sat Dec 20 02:33:56 2003  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by WW ]  
   

>>Could someone please enlighten me as to the basis for the proposed change to Pantherophis, So far all I can find are vituperative personal attacks with no discussion of the wherefore and why. Is the proposal based on morphology, sequencing behavior or what? While a relatively new addition to the herp world I am a familiar with cladistics and taxonomy in general.

The basis is a paper by Utiger et al in Russian Journal of herpetology, in which the genus Elaphe was partitioned into multiple genera based on mtDNA sequences and adjunt morphological characters. Elaphe was shown to be paraphyletic with repect to the entire North American lampropeltine group, i.e., Lampropeltis, Pituophis, Arizona and N. America "Elaphe".

The non-monophyly of Elaphe was hardly a state secret, there have been other studies of the lampropeltinine group which have shown Elaphe to be non-monophyletic. Utiger et al. were the first to draw the nomenclatural consequences. E-mail me if you want a PDF of the paper.

The vituperative nature of the discussion here is largely due to one individual trying to drag us kicking and screaming back into the 1950's.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Wolfgang
-----
WW Home


   

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Hide Replies ]


>> Next topic:  Contrived taxa and why the Hennigians or cladists have to recognize them - CKing, Wed Dec 3 12:37:32 2003
<< Previous topic:  band count? - smokeysshadow, Tue Dec 2 02:40:22 2003


kingsnake.com | NRAAC.ORG | ReptileBusinessGuide.com | ReptileShowGuide.com | ReptileShows.mobi | Connected By Cars | DesertRunner.org
AprilFirstBioEngineering | GunHobbyist.com | GunShowGuide.com | GunShows.mobi | GunBusinessGuide.com | club kingsnake | live stage magazine


powered by kingsnake.com
Click here for Dragon Serpents
pool banner - advertise here
Click here to visit Classifieds
advertise here
Click to visit Classifieds
advertise here
kingsnake.com® is a registered trademark© 1997-
    - this site optimized for 1024x768 resolution -