After years of observing Timber wolves in their pack structure you NEVER see yearlings teaching pups, they gravitate towards the older seasoned pack members (geezers) to learn the basics like hunting, avoiding preditors, etc....... guess what I'm gettin at is.... everyone needs a geezer..... to learn form their experience. Wish I'd known you back when 'Tank' my Gopher Tortoise developed a RI & we lost him. Now before any forum trolls in here FREAKS out at me, my Dad bought me Tank at a fruit stand in north Florida for the grand slam total of $2 from some little Mexican kid in 1973. I was 10 at the time & knew NOTHING about keeping tortoises he was a pretty cool little guy tried to constantly mate with dad's hiking boots. Probably had a 12 " carapace, ate EVERYTHING he was given & thrived for about 3 years until 1 winter we figured he got a chill after a power outage in 1 of our Canadian Winter Blizzards. Never did recover dispite all our efforts. I get still sentimental whenever I stop to help a gopher tort across the road down in Florida.

I have had some limited experience with Turtles but snakes are more of my thing. I used to stalk the Woolco pet depts to look through thier 300 RES babies to find the occasion Painted or Map Turtle even got 2 Diamond Back Terrapins in 1 load, the lady at woolco only charged me for 1 since they 'weren't as pretty as the others'........ awwww the good ole 70's where an Eastern Indigo could be had for $45 as opposed to the $1200 US$'s for a hatchling these days. THEY have to be my fav. have 2.4 of those black beauties.

Feel free to keep in touch via email dean@alphaloup.ca . Thanks again for all your help, oh yeah lil Spottie is doing great, will probably toss him back in with his little harem in a week or so.

Dean

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