I would believe what I read on the site of the originator, above what others say in archived posts. Even what the Magee's or I have said in archived posts may have been disproven or proven otherwise at this point.



The patternless was produced from the first breeding of an F3 ( I believe) to an unrelated animal. So it was Harley to normal, but most Harley's we've seen are merely F1's.



Thanks, joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo

'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

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