return to main index

  market - home
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter link to us on LinkedIn
International Reptile Conservation Foundation  
Click here to visit Classifieds
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: How a python change the course of Attenbourgh's life . . . . . . . . . .  Make good choices . . . . . . . . . .  Burmese found on roadside in Wisconsin raises issues . . . . . . . . . .  Short interview with Bryan Suson of Sundown Reptiles . . . . . . . . . .  Happy Earth Day . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake Merch Store . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  End of January 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Fun Fact Friday - Green Tree Monitor . . . . . . . . . .  The Evolution of the Osteoderm discovered . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS Expo Jan 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Diamondback discovered in new Texas county for first time . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - May 25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - June 03, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  CRE - Jun. 20-21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - June 20, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - June 21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - June 26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tinley NARBC June - Jun 27-28 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - June 27, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - July 01, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show & LA Pet Fair - July 11-12 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 

Long winded Grandad response

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Rat Snakes ]

Posted by: BillMcgElaphe at Tue Feb 28 19:32:44 2006   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by BillMcgElaphe ]  
   

Wow, what a great question!!!

This is so variable that all opinions you get here will have merit.



I’m not going to comment on the ethical issues of taking an animal from the wild. That would make an interesting thread on its own merit.

AND

It’s extremely hard to generalize on how easy it is to “man” a specific wild species or variant, because as soon as someone makes a blanket statement like “White Sided Snow Snakes are docile as soon as you pick them up”, this will surely be met by someone else saying, “White Sided Snow Snakes never become docile in captivity”, and both folks are probably right according to their life experiences.



In other words, there are few absolutes in nature.



AND



You need to be keenly aware of how your own state laws treat collecting of wild animals. Whether or not you agree with the law (another great topic of discussion), it is the law.



All that said, here are some opinions for “manning” a wild snake:



While snakes are not very demonstrative of intelligence, and much of how they act is from genetic memory, personalities can still be conditioned and developed, especially based upon types and frequency of predator encounters.

These animals sometimes can be deprogrammed of their defensive attitudes with patience handling them without emulation a predatory response.



Some suggestions:

1. If the animal defends itself vigorously, let it calm down and start feeding regularly, then handle it often in a supportive way, but don’t stress it too much. Be patient.

2. Scooping up the animal instead of grabbing it, as would be jaws or talons. You want to be perceived as a tree or a rock, and not as prey or predator.

3. Be prepared to get nailed a few times, so you don’t react violently when it happens and causes an escalated reaction from the animal.

4. I personally find “side loading” cages make feeding and handling a stressed wild caught animal a little more calming than “top Loading” cages (e.g. an aquarium). When you imagine the approach of mammal and avian predators, it’s almost always from overhead.

(Side note (no pun intended)– with very little handling of Rat Snakes in “side loading” cages, the animals quickly associate the door opening with food. I’ve gotten more bites of mistaken identity this way than with animals defending themselves.)

5. Be prepared to fail. As tex540 said, some are "spawn of satan".



If you just want any Emory’s, for example, you are better off buying captive bred (fewer parasites, less stress on wild populations, cheaper, etc.) If you want a locality specific animal (e.g. Alpine, TX Emory’s) collect responsibly and legally.



Wild snakes almost always have a parasite load. In the wild the animal has generally reached some sort of balance, equilibrium, but in captivity, we upset that equilibrium. Take a fecal sample to a vet, and treat accordingly.



Finally, if your screen name is "phiber_optikx", are you OC-12, OC-48, OC-192????


-----
Regards, Bill McGighan


   

[ Hide Replies ]


>> Next topic:  More on Leucistic Black Rat origin... - bam171bam, Tue Feb 28 17:49:46 2006
<< Previous topic:  Leucistic Question - AJCrader, Mon Feb 27 16:08:47 2006

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You Click here for Dragon Serpents Click to visit Classifieds
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-