Thanks for the link. We, my son and I, do breed some turtles and torts. So we read up on some of that, but better yet, we talked with other breeders(horses mouth)

I have not heard of any institution having normal success with monitors. I do not believe its about facility, but more about a misunderstanding of what monitors are.

It would be very easy to produce smaller monitors in number enough to actually allow them to learn. In fact, it would be far cheaper and quicker then many current studies. Again, the problem is academia thinks monitors are one thing, and the monitors think they are another. One day, maybe both views will be the same.

About splitting them open, I am proud or sad to say, When working with numbers, you do get the chance to investigate. Of course your comments on selling or breeding our silly. Those thoughts may restrict you, but you are not me. It also appears you have no idea of what drives me. So, yes, I have viewed "seed racks" and lack thereof.

Lastly, I am not all that interested on what science says about this subject. As science explains an incidence or event. In this case, we commonly practice these incidences and events. So they do not need explination. At least to me. They are practiced.

For instance, In a previous discussion with Mr Sweet, the subject of diapause came up. He defined it in no uncertain terms. Its the stopping of development. Then he read a paper published by someone else, He then change his definition to, its the slowing of development. To understand where I am coming from, as one who deals with this on a daily basis, and I have dealt with it nonstop since 1991. It does not matter if the development is slow or stopped. It simply means in practice, the eggs that do this take longer to hatch. Is that a problem? no, they still hatch.

Its about the same approach to the sex deteriming question with monitors. I could care what the actual mechanism is. I already know how to work it. I have no problems sexing monitors. We practice raising pairs and have do so since 1991 as well.

So please try to understand this, when you or some other person is trying to make sense of something. It will be entirely different, if you or I, have been practicing it for many many years. Of course you want some scientific explination, but if you were doing it on a daily basis, you would think more like me. It would be interesting but of no real importance(to have it explained) hmmmmm whats the good of explaining something commonly done?

Consider, there is a difference between scientific curiousity and practical curiousity. As one who does this, I am interested in whats practical and appliable. Maybe someday, science will provide some of that. But as of now, no such luck. Cheers

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