First, Congrats definitely go out to both of you... Alive or dead, they are both a great acomplishment. My opinion on this, and I am sure some may agree and others will disagree, But i think since both animals were produced, Both should have some say in what to name it.. It seems Mark being the owner of the second born, but only living one is feeling as though since his in the one alive, naming should go completely to him with no opinions or thoughts to Justin just because his died. Nobody knows for sure if it was stilborn, died 5 minutes after it was born or 5 hours... nobody knows for sure. The fact of the matter is in the spirit of the hobby and BOTH knowing Justin produced his first... by 4 days, both of them should have a say as to what the name is... Maybe Justin Waitied too long? maybe he should have posted a photo of it when he discoverd it and named it then? Would that have been the right thing to do? Should he just go ahead and name it and forget about the "moonglow" name? Just teh way Mark posted in one of the other Threads "Thanks Frank! MoonGlow it is!" seems like he is rubbing in the fact that his is alive and Justins isnt... Dead doesnt mean that the didnt produce it, adn that he doesnt deserve credit for producing it first... he did in fact produce a full term snake... for whatever reason be it stillborn, unformed lungs, or possibly crushing from the mother... He produced it first... end of story. The honorable and mature thing to do is for Justin and Mark to talk between themselves, give credit where credit is due and both come to an agreement on a name.... I think all would be satisfied with this and all the he said / she said will be over and done with...

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• Alive or dead re: naming - Morgans Boas, Sat Apr 8 18:21:54 2006
• I agree....more. - Red_Hydra, Sat Apr 8 18:35:21 2006
• Which was conceived first? n/p - ChrisGilbert, Sat Apr 8 18:35:45 2006
• More inside....lol. - Red_Hydra, Sat Apr 8 18:37:24 2006
• My .02 - Sloas, Sat Apr 8 20:05:26 2006
• What a sec. - justin_higgs, Sat Apr 8 20:27:33 2006
• Let me try again! - Sloas, Sat Apr 8 20:49:31 2006
• RE: Let me try again! - justin_higgs, Sat Apr 8 20:55:50 2006
• RE: What a sec. - DaveyFig, Sat Apr 8 21:08:27 2006
• RE: What a sec. - EmberBall, Sat Apr 8 22:41:25 2006
• RE: What a sec. - locolizard, Sun Apr 9 00:48:39 2006
• RE: What a sec. - justin_higgs, Sun Apr 9 13:03:51 2006
• Agree, but disagree -- TRY THIS - Morgans Boas, Sat Apr 8 20:48:30 2006
• RE:sorry for mis-spelling Hypo = Hyoo - Morgans Boas, Sat Apr 8 20:51:37 2006
• More info. - justin_higgs, Sat Apr 8 20:54:48 2006
• RE: More info. - boabizz, Sat Apr 8 22:59:01 2006
• I had resized and posted the pictures... - wetceal, Sat Apr 8 23:01:38 2006
• RE: I had resized and posted the pictures... - slithering_serpents, Sun Apr 9 15:05:46 2006
• Alive or dead re: naming - Biscuit71, Sat Apr 8 22:21:58 2006
• Alive or dead re: naming - justin_higgs, Sat Apr 8 22:41:50 2006
• ExoticsByNature..... - michaelburton, Sat Apr 8 23:03:35 2006
• RE: Celia posted the photos above... - Exotics by Nature, Sat Apr 8 23:13:40 2006
• Alive or dead re: naming - ecreipeoj, Sun Apr 9 16:10:24 2006