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RE: I have to chuckle at this one.

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Posted by: FR at Tue Jun 13 13:12:02 2006   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]  
   

While I do not go to sites, and particularly this site.I have no need to. I do not care for this fellas attitude. I would think what you discribed is exactly what you should expect. And for what it is, I am sure its done well. I am glad he is expressing his own experience. While I do not care for him, hes trying very hard and working at it. which is all anyone can ask.



What you should be judging is results per effort. Which means, this fella(or any fella) has put a ton of effort(a good thing) without the benefit of a ton of results(a bad thing), but alias, its still in progress, and I wish him well.



At this time, personal experience by private keepers is ten thousand times more advanced then scientific interpitations(results achieved) Science at this time is very very poor when it comes to keeping living animals. At least for any lenght of time. Science=scientific institutions.



As with the above, with science you need to consider the same, results per effort. The problem with science is, they use very little actual data and a whole lot of math.



If you want to be scientific, you could come up with formulas that will tell you what captives should do.



Lets see, all living animals exsistance is to replace itself. In most cases(not humans) neonate mortality is high, lets make a guess, from 70% to 100% per season. So over a the life of a female, she must produce enough offspring to continue exsistance as a species.



So a pair, has a need to produce as least two offspring that survive and reproduce to exsist. And if you include an 80% neonate mortality rate, that pair should be expected to produce a very bottom minimum of 10 offspring just to escape exstintion. But fortunately, they can and do exceed that, to support a healthy ecosystem(or help pay their costs in captivity), they must produce food/product for other species/keepers. So with a healthy pair, you should expect many times that 10 offspring minimum. Let shoot at a low number. A healthy pair must produce 30 healthy offspring(consumable)to be considered successful.



Sir that is more or less a very strong reality. How many sites have information that supports 30 offspring per pair, private or zoos or scientific???????? In reality, that is a very low number.



I have individuals that have far exceeded that. One female is laying her 62nd clutch now(9yrs of age) Also some females that have produced far more clutches, but did not have that long of a productive period.(just examples)



So I agree, most, in fact all information, at this time is very weak(including mine) So take what you can, if his site has something to offer you to try. Try it. No site has a complete discription of all things varanid. They only offer information of use. Your suppose to use your brain and think what to apply. Keeping animals is, no more and no less, only application of information(test). Its not information read. Reading information is absolutely worthless, unless its correctly applied.



There are other strong realities, keeping animals will only end in failure, they all will eventually fail(die) its what happens while they are alive thats important. Success is always temporary.



Which raises the giant question, you must have energy and understanding to apply it. Most don't. So they call the information, incomplete or cryptic.



I guess what I am doing is defending Bobs site, and saying if you find fault in his site, its more about you. Cheers


   

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