I do laugh when I see ads for F1's. As I replied to Caden above, every creature is at least an F1. By definition as I understand it F1 denotes the offspring from two unrelated animals while F2 is offspring fom two siblings.



I would believe there are MANY F2's being sold without being labeled as such. ie joe breeder buys a pair of babies from another breeder that are siblings (may or may not be informed/realise/care/matter) and then raises them up and breeds them to each other. One thing I do worry about and try to watch is that could theoretically happen for more than one generation creating Fx's with a much higher filial numbder than I'd purchase myself. When making my purchases I do pay attention to the parents and where they came from. Not saying I'd avoid a purchase from a person who bred a related pair, just need that info for future decisions. Duh, it's a no brainer if you're only buying one.



And like most I do look for unrelated and try to breed unrelated whenever I can. Sometimes though, it's desirable. For example I'm getting a trio of Motleys. I will breed two siblings to produce super motleys. I know the parents of my Motleys were unrelated so breeding the sibs will produce F2's, and that's acceptable IMO!







>>Not everybody understands the meaning of F1, F2, etc. The breeders may be confused as are their customers when they sell higher F numbers. Generally, as said, the higher F number would lead to breeders buying them to outcross rather than pair up siblings if they know what is going on. However, the seller may not have known how to properly assign F1 etc and they may not be as advertised.

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>>If a seller claimed F2 or higher, I would ask for documentation on it, seeing as F2 would indicate they know something about the animals history, they should be able to answer where they got the number from.

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>>"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."
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Thanks,



Dave Colling



www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com



0.1 Wife (WC)

0.2 kids (CBB, selectively bred from good stock)



LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:

13.26 BRB

11.16 BCI

And those are only the breeders



lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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